Commentaires sur : DSA needs a leader

Par : Unexpected move on the DSA front | Buxy rêve tout haut

Unexpected move on the DSA front | Buxy rêve tout haut — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:45:27 +0000

[...] should never loose hope apparently. After my previous posts on the topic, Sam put some more pressure and expressed strongly his disappointment in the [...]

Par : Jo

Jo — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:08:48 +0000

So it is finally the truth that volunteer work is (at first) work. And in work you have to commit to the work and not to social feelings. If you can’t do your work (volunteer or payed) because of social problems with others you should quit your work officialy or get kicked by officials (Who is responsible for this in Debian?).

If this doesn’t happen, you get depressed and even worst, your acting depresses others too; and it has become a really big problem for the project (work or Debian) too. And yes. It’s even worse for volunteer projects. So be aware.

Par : Buxy

Buxy — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:00:29 +0000

Kevin, I do know all of that and I’m particularly aware of the lack of progress over the years. I invested lots of time this year to try to unblock the situation and it seems that my goodwill was not enough.

So, yes, we need to escalate the situation, and the only sane way to do this is to propose a solution through a general resolution. This might lead to retirement or not, I have no way to know. I’m in touch with Sam on this topic, and we’ll see in the next few weeks if/how/when this will happen.

I don’t want to throw stones at you, I’m just explaining you that you’re not helping me solve this problem with your advices… because I know the ins and outs better than you in this case.

Par : Kevin Mark

Kevin Mark — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:11:03 +0000

This is something that I read about again and again, year after year from mailing list posts by various debian developers: These few people in key positions in Debian who repeatedly have negative clams made against them and over many years people seem to indicate no or little progress. No one seems to seek any major act like expelling them because they serve a useful enough purpose to outweigh that. So I would expect the situation to be unchanged until one of them quits(like Joey) or retires(And from the recent ping sent out to non-active DD, this is not done unless prompted). Things have to escalate to an extreme before action (krooger,svenl). It is unnessary to point out that I do not know things you do. Out of the billions on this earth, less than 1000 people have any knowledge of this tiny, private world. Being in a position to know more, put you in a superior position, one which you should not use to throw stone from.

Par : Buxy

Buxy — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:07:11 +0000

Kevin, thank you for your comments but (here exactly like on debian-devel) they always are some generalities that we’re all aware of… and through this you make assumptions that you shouldn’t.

For example, I was at Debconf this year, and James Troup was as well. And we met and discussed together with our DPL. The meeting was very friendly and the outcome looked like positive at that time.

However, the discussion was not followed with many acts and this explains my critical stance today.

Par : Kevin Mark

Kevin Mark — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:07:29 +0000

Debian has excellent technical people, this is undisputed. The real problems arise from issue involving human relationships and work styles. Debconf, I expect, provides some relief from tensions that arise from computer-mediated communication and venues to implement long-discussed improvements which address some sources of tension, which is a good and needed thing. Issues of power, trust, accountability and the like are hard to address across a town, village, or ocean. But these issue are not isolated to Debian. Maybe a Debian picnic with a nice baseball or football game in the time between Debconf?

Par : MJ Ray

MJ Ray — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:59:33 +0000

Good luck improving things. Can I interest you in some fire-proof undies and a brass neck?